Development interface and editor

[Jorge Biquez]

Hello all.
This not only FreeBsd related so I decided to post it here.

- Can you comment about what GUI interface do you use (if any) for
PHP Development?

- Can you comment on what editor do you use for PHP development? (yes
i know is a matter of what you like but since I do not use any other
that simple notepad looking for better options).

I will explain a little further.

Actually I am running Freebsd 7.3 on a couple of production servers.
No problem. I installed the exact same configuration on a vmware
machine on my old laptop and everything is running fine. Both
configurations have the same packages and everything. That way I can
test before putting under productions and could be able to work even
without internet connection.

Since I have no previous experience I am using notepad as my simple
text editor for php and do ftp the php files to the virtual freebsd
machine. I know I can edit directly under the freebsd machine and I
have done using ee as my simple editor.

I have developed under other languages but now I need to get a new
job and I am working hard to became a more than a novice php
developer with mysql.

Anyway, can you give me your advice on what are my best options to
have a GUI interface or a good editor. I have been asking friends
also. I friend told me to move to mac and use bbedit with a php
extension or something like that.
Another told me to get anold
product for developing web pages that has its own editor and ready
for php. The advantage is that has syntax checking and a help
included with php syntax uses, examples, etc. ANother told me to use
Eclipse  and the last one told me to buy a product that the guys from
programmer's paradise that if I am not wrong is a gui for development
only under php (problem here is budget since I guess is kind of
expensive) As I mentioned I do not have experience and that's why I
am asking that.

I hope you can share your thoughts and experience.

Thanks in advance

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[Person, Roderick-2]

I've been using ActiveState Komodo for the last 4 or 5 years. The 4.x series runs well on FreeBSD. The newer 5 series runs but I can't get it to debug. I use it on FreeBSD and Windows it cost 250 or so if I recall.

ZendStudio is pretty good also but if I recall is more pricey but may company paid for it. You can download it and I think it has version that are free.

The best thing about the above two are the offer debugging of PHP on remote servers. The ActiveState product supports more languages as I use it also for Python - which I'm attempting to move my PHP development to also.

Bluefish is free and in the ports and it just offers code highlighting and I think completion. It more of a general web language IDE.

HTH.


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>
> Hello all.
> This not only FreeBsd related so I decided to post it here.
>
> - Can you comment about what GUI interface do you use (if any) for
> PHP Development?
>
> - Can you comment on what editor do you use for PHP development? (yes
> i know is a matter of what you like but since I do not use any other
> that simple notepad looking for better options).
>
> I will explain a little further.
>
> Actually I am running Freebsd 7.3 on a couple of production servers.
> No problem. I installed the exact same configuration on a vmware
> machine on my old laptop and everything is running fine. Both
> configurations have the same packages and everything. That way I can
> test before putting under productions and could be able to work even
> without internet connection.
>
> Since I have no previous experience I am using notepad as my simple
> text editor for php and do ftp the php files to the virtual freebsd
> machine. I know I can edit directly under the freebsd machine and I
> have done using ee as my simple editor.
>
> I have developed under other languages but now I need to get a new
> job and I am working hard to became a more than a novice php
> developer with mysql.
>
> Anyway, can you give me your advice on what are my best options to
> have a GUI interface or a good editor. I have been asking friends
> also. I friend told me to move to mac and use bbedit with a php
> extension or something like that.
Another told me to get anold
> product for developing web pages that has its own editor and ready
> for php. The advantage is that has syntax checking and a help
> included with php syntax uses, examples, etc. ANother told me to use
> Eclipse  and the last one told me to buy a product that the guys from
> programmer's paradise that if I am not wrong is a gui for development
> only under php (problem here is budget since I guess is kind of
> expensive) As I mentioned I do not have experience and that's why I
> am asking that.
>
> I hope you can share your thoughts and experience.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
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[Alphons "Fonz" van Werven]

Jorge Biquez wrote:

> - Can you comment about what GUI interface do you use (if any) for
> PHP Development?
 [snip]
> - Can you comment on what editor do you use for PHP development?
> (yes i know is a matter of what you like

That last remark sums it up pretty well. Opinions are like smelly brown
assholes: everybody's got one.

A quick sniff of my rear end though: I stay away from GUIs as much as I
can, the only GUIs I ever really liked were those Borland C/C++/Pascal
thingies and that was well over a decade ago, when people were actually
still using MS-DOS ;-) (go figure)

Editing is done in Vim, no exceptions. It's perhaps a bit hard to learn
initially so it may not be your thing, in which case you may like
(X)Emacs instead. Perhaps they've fixed some of the resource hungriness
by now :-) (/me ducks for cover)

I'll leave it a this before this thread turns into the 666,666,666,666th
editor-flamewar. You may be opening a can of worms here, but good luck
anyway.

Regards,

Alphons

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[Roger-127]

What do you mean by GUI interface? Do you mean desktop environment?

I would recommend you develop under whatever resembles the most your
production environment. (I believe you already do this).
The feature that I need the most out of my code editor is syntax
highlighting and the ability to chance color theme to accommodate mood
and lighting. I use gnome editor (gedit) and vim (when in the server)
. Eclipse is not bad, I use it at work because we use CVS and I can do
a lot of CVS operations under it. I just wish it was written in C/C++
or anything faster than Java because it is really CPU/Memory abuser in
my opinion.

What operating system are you using in your laptop?

-r
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[Jorge Biquez]

Hello all.

No editor war pls. !!! :=)

None of us are interested in that. I only want o know advice and
finally we all will use what we think is better. Just want to learn
from the experience of you guys so I can invest the best way money
and time (as I said this is part of a strategy to get a new job).

Thanks a lot for all your comments.


At 02:20 p.m. 31/03/2010, you wrote:

>Jorge Biquez wrote:
>
> > - Can you comment about what GUI interface do you use (if any) for
> > PHP Development?
>  [snip]
> > - Can you comment on what editor do you use for PHP development?
> > (yes i know is a matter of what you like
>
>That last remark sums it up pretty well. Opinions are like smelly brown
>assholes: everybody's got one.
>
>A quick sniff of my rear end though: I stay away from GUIs as much as I
>can, the only GUIs I ever really liked were those Borland C/C++/Pascal
>thingies and that was well over a decade ago, when people were actually
>still using MS-DOS ;-) (go figure)
>
>Editing is done in Vim, no exceptions. It's perhaps a bit hard to learn
>initially so it may not be your thing, in which case you may like
>(X)Emacs instead. Perhaps they've fixed some of the resource hungriness
>by now :-) (/me ducks for cover)
>
>I'll leave it a this before this thread turns into the 666,666,666,666th
>editor-flamewar. You may be opening a can of worms here, but good luck
>anyway.
>
>Regards,
>
>Alphons
>
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[Jorge Biquez]

At 02:22 p.m. 31/03/2010, you wrote:

>What do you mean by GUI interface? Do you mean desktop environment?
>
>I would recommend you develop under whatever resembles the most your
>production environment. (I believe you already do this).
>The feature that I need the most out of my code editor is syntax
>highlighting and the ability to chance color theme to accommodate mood
>and lighting. I use gnome editor (gedit) and vim (when in the server)
>. Eclipse is not bad, I use it at work because we use CVS and I can do
>a lot of CVS operations under it. I just wish it was written in C/C++
>or anything faster than Java because it is really CPU/Memory abuser in
>my opinion.
>
>What operating system are you using in your laptop?
>
>-r

Hello.

Yes I mean a desktop environment.
ACtually on my lap I am under Windows XP-Pro. Instead of notepad I am
using a very old bYT EXCELLENT EDITOR QEDIT and its STR version QTSR.
I have been using that editor since clipper and pascal times...
anyway. I am looking for something more developer alike (if I can say
that) for the PHP environment.
The Freebsd production environment has not  graphical interface. My
virtual machine has not either. This something I need and want to
decide, if I need to go graphical under Freebsd or another , I can do
it but if possible would like to stay with my lap as it is since I
have a couple of clients that I do maintenance to their systems and
are developed under a tool that only can be used under windows.....
As I said I can buy a tool if need it but not too expensive of course :=)

Thanks to all for the comments.
Jorge Biquez

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[Greg 'groggy' Lehey-3]

On Wednesday, 31 March 2010 at 13:36:02 -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote:
> Hello all.
> This not only FreeBsd related so I decided to post it here.
>
> - Can you comment about what GUI interface do you use (if any) for
> PHP Development?

For a lot of us, the terms "GUI" and "editor" are mutually exclusive.
You need to be able to type in an editor.

> - Can you comment on what editor do you use for PHP development?
> (yes i know is a matter of what you like but since I do not use any
> other that simple notepad looking for better options).

I use Emacs.  In a deviation from the typical editor wars scenario, I
find it seriously suboptimal for PHP (or any other mixed-syntax
language), since it can't tell what's HTML and what's PHP.  I'm told
that vi does better here, but I've been using Emacs for 30 years, and
my fingers are conditioned to it.  If you're new to editors, I'd
recommend that you find one editor that you can do everything with.
For me, that would still be Emacs, despite the problems with PHP.  It
does fine as long as there's no HTML in there.

> Another told me to get anold product for developing web pages that
> has its own editor and ready for php. The advantage is that has
> syntax checking and a help included with php syntax uses, examples,
> etc.

The disadvantage is that you probably can't use it for much else.

Greg
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