Uptime [OT]

[Steve Bertrand-5]

I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is
non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant:

%uptime
  9:01PM  up 1142 days,  5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Steve
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[Mark Felder-4]

In production and survived many area-wide power outages:

% uptime
10:34PM  up 2021 days, 18:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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[Steve Bertrand-5]

On 14/06/2012 9:20 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is
> non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant:
>
> %uptime
> 9:01PM up 1142 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

fwiw:

%uname -a
FreeBSD xxxx.xxxx.xxx 7.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-PRERELEASE #1: Wed Apr
29 06:34:04 EDT 2009     [hidden email]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/xxxx i386


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[Steve Bertrand-5]

On 14/06/2012 9:35 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
> In production and survived many area-wide power outages:
>
> % uptime
> 10:34PM up 2021 days, 18:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

That's hardcore homie... wow!

What does this box survive to do?

Steve

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[Mark Felder-4]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:37:59 -0500, Steve Bertrand  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> That's hardcore homie... wow!
>  What does this box survive to do?


Transparent traffic shaping/firewalling via IPFW; it's not actually  
visible to the internet. There isn't much load at all, but the hardware is  
quickly aging. The dual power supply has saved it a few times, too. I  
think there's another server which I believe is close to 2600 days uptime  
but I'll have to brainstorm and see if I can remember which one it is.
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[Steve Bertrand-5]

On 14/06/2012 9:43 PM, Mark Felder wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:37:59 -0500, Steve Bertrand
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> That's hardcore homie... wow!
>> What does this box survive to do?
>
>
> Transparent traffic shaping/firewalling via IPFW; it's not actually
> visible to the internet. There isn't much load at all, but the hardware
> is quickly aging. The dual power supply has saved it a few times, too. I
> think there's another server which I believe is close to 2600 days
> uptime but I'll have to brainstorm and see if I can remember which one
> it is.

lmao... you must be a sysadmin ;)

IPFW is all I've used on FreeBSD. I designed an ISP edge based on
Microtic hardware with flash-based FBSD installs with Quagga and IPFW. I
was hesitant to change to anything else, because I wrote an awful lot of
Perl code that automated IPFW changes across the network.

I don't use FBSD as much as I used to, but I still stick to my roots and
write most of my code on it. I don't maintain many servers with it
anymore though.

This is why I thought I'd speak up... to let everyone know I'm still
alive and kicking. Apparently, so is one of my boxes ;)

Steve
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[Mark Felder-4]

FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10  
CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386

Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're  
slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone.

I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it  
would run....


Oh, perhaps this thread should be renamed to "Why are you using FreeBSD?"  
to fit in with the others...
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[Bas Smeelen]

On 06/15/2012 05:51 AM, Mark Felder wrote:

> FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10
> CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386
>
> Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're
> slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone.
>
> I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it
> would run....
>
>
> Oh, perhaps this thread should be renamed to "Why are you using FreeBSD?"
> to fit in with the others...

Nice.
Here's another one. Used mainly for imap proxy and ipfw. Too bad it will be
moved to another physical location in a week or two.

$ uptime
  2:38PM  up 2266 days, 20:43, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00



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[Robert Bonomi]

> From [hidden email]  Thu Jun 14 22:56:16 2012
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:45 -0500
> From: Mark Felder <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Steve Bertrand <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Uptime [OT]
>
> FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10  
> CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386
>
> Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're  
> slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone.
>
> I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it  
> would run....

Heh. check out -this- one:

 % uname -a
 ****** ******************** *** **** ****** *** Kernel #0: Thu Mar 20 16:40:01 CST 1997     ************************:/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL  i386

The build date _is_ accurate, the hardware it's running on is old enough to
vote.   <wry grin>

It's publicly accessible on the Internet,

It's not quite as ridiculous as it looks, the (limited) apps running on it
_are_ up-to-date.

Uptime is nothing to brag about -- no UPS, combined with 'unreliable' public
utility power, does have an impact.


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[Chad Perrin]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 07:49:49AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:

>
> Heh. check out -this- one:
>
>  % uname -a
>  ****** ******************** *** **** ****** *** Kernel #0: Thu Mar 20 16:40:01 CST 1997     ************************:/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL  i386
>
> The build date _is_ accurate, the hardware it's running on is old enough to
> vote.   <wry grin>
>
> It's publicly accessible on the Internet,
>
> It's not quite as ridiculous as it looks, the (limited) apps running on it
> _are_ up-to-date.
>
> Uptime is nothing to brag about -- no UPS, combined with 'unreliable' public
> utility power, does have an impact.

No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about.

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[Chad Perrin]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 09:20:19PM -0600, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is
> non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant:
>
> %uptime
>  9:01PM  up 1142 days,  5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Hmm.  My longest uptime system right now -- basically just an
SSH-accessible store of digital audio files ripped from CD and attached
to speakers in the living room -- is at 500 days uptime today.

My oldest build date on a running system is "Sun May  7 04:32:43 UTC
2006".

Obviously, neither of these is set up for public access.  They're just
neglected single-purpose machines.

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[Robison, Dave]

On 06/15/2012 08:30, Bernt Hansson wrote:

>
> Aha.....A pissing contest and it's friday....count me in...
>
> FreeBSD fqdn 4.11-RELEASE-p20 FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p20 #0: Mon Aug 28
> 07:21:42 CEST 2006     user@fqdn:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HPNETSERVERFW  i386
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I'll bite. Here's an internal machine.

Old timers should appreciate the name "ref1". I remember the original
ref machine. I got to kick it in the head a few times.

firewall0# uname -a
FreeBSD firewall0.dev.vicor.com 4.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #5: Thu
Nov  1 14:57:38 PST 2001    
[hidden email]:/usr/home/julian/checkout_test/prod/kernel/external_source/compile/VICOR
i386



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[Mario Lobo-5]

On Friday 15 June 2012 09:49:49 Robert Bonomi wrote:

> > From [hidden email]  Thu Jun 14 22:56:16 2012
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:45 -0500
> > From: Mark Felder <[hidden email]>
> > Cc: Steve Bertrand <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: Uptime [OT]
> >
> > FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10
> > CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386
> >
> > Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha.
> > We're slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing
> > anyone.
> >
> > I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long
> > it would run....
>
> Heh. check out -this- one:
>
>  % uname -a
>  ****** ******************** *** **** ****** *** Kernel #0: Thu Mar 20
> 16:40:01 CST 1997     ************************:/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL
> i386
>
> The build date _is_ accurate, the hardware it's running on is old enough to
> vote.   <wry grin>
>
> It's publicly accessible on the Internet,
>
> It's not quite as ridiculous as it looks, the (limited) apps running on it
> _are_ up-to-date.

Hi;

This is from a colleague Alex Moura at our brazilian bsd list.

> > > FreeBSD helm 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46
> > > BRST 2000
> > > 11:47AM  up 3532 days,  3:43, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> > >
> > > 3532 days before now Friday, July 13, 2001
> > >
> > > 9 years, 8 months, 3 days, 16 hours

ref. http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-chat@.../msg02477.html

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[David Brodbeck-2]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Chad Perrin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about.

If your utility power is very -- common now in places with buried
utilities -- a UPS of the non-enterprise variety can actually make
reliability *worse*.  I've found that standby-type UPSs (like the
popular APC BackUPS and SmartUPS units) will drop the load at the
slightest power blip once the batteries go bad, while machines
connected directly to utility power will often ride out short blips.
It's especially insidious on the BackUPS units because the only way to
test the battery is to hit the test button and see if the load drops.
;)

When I lived in a place that had a power outage once a week, I used a
UPS.  Now that I live in a place where I get maybe one power outage a
*year*, I'm better off without out.
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[David Brodbeck-2]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47 PM, David Brodbeck <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Chad Perrin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about.
>
> If your utility power is very -- common now in places with buried
> utilities -- a UPS of the non-enterprise variety can actually make
> reliability *worse*.

Err, meant to say "if your utility power is very reliable..."
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[Chad Perrin]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47:55PM +0000, David Brodbeck wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Chad Perrin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about.
>
> If your utility power is very -- common now in places with buried
> utilities -- a UPS of the non-enterprise variety can actually make
> reliability *worse*.  I've found that standby-type UPSs (like the
> popular APC BackUPS and SmartUPS units) will drop the load at the
> slightest power blip once the batteries go bad, while machines
> connected directly to utility power will often ride out short blips.
> It's especially insidious on the BackUPS units because the only way to
> test the battery is to hit the test button and see if the load drops.
> ;)

These bargain-basement throw-away UPSes you mention are not the kinds of
UPSes that give you power conditioning, and thus (I hope) obviously not
the kinds of UPSes I meant.


>
> When I lived in a place that had a power outage once a week, I used a
> UPS.  Now that I live in a place where I get maybe one power outage a
> *year*, I'm better off without out.

I don't consider the ability to stay up for a few minutes when there's a
brief blackout to be the most important function of a good UPS, even
though that's kinda the reason the things were invented in the first
place.  The most important function of such a thing is power
conditioning, which eliminates the problems of spikes and brownouts in
the supply of power from the utility company even when nothing dramatic
enough happens to actually crash a running machine right away.  Such
variability in power can be bad for both hardware and consistent, stable
running of software.

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[David Brodbeck-2]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Chad Perrin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't consider the ability to stay up for a few minutes when there's a
> brief blackout to be the most important function of a good UPS, even
> though that's kinda the reason the things were invented in the first
> place.  The most important function of such a thing is power
> conditioning, which eliminates the problems of spikes and brownouts in
> the supply of power from the utility company even when nothing dramatic
> enough happens to actually crash a running machine right away.  Such
> variability in power can be bad for both hardware and consistent, stable
> running of software.

Hard to get unless you have several kilobucks to spend on an online
type UPS, though.  I actually had one I got surplus, several years
back, but the constant inverter buzz got old fast in a home
environment.
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[Mark Felder-4]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:00:57 -0500, David Brodbeck <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hard to get unless you have several kilobucks to spend on an online
> type UPS, though.  I actually had one I got surplus, several years
> back, but the constant inverter buzz got old fast in a home
> environment.

Refurbups.com -- go look at the refurbished Liebert online UPSes. Plenty  
cheap and plenty sufficient.
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